Bill Fry: Okay, the recorder’s on right now, so you can go ahead and just, just basically tell me what happened.
Ron Wyatt: Oh, Okay. Well, on the excavation there, that, you know, for the Ark of the Covenant, primarily I was
interested in just the Ark of the Covenant. However, when I did the excavation down the cliff face, I ran into cut-outs
and we ran into crossholes, and the bottom of this ancient quarry that showed that this was a crucifixion and
execution spot. The Romans crucified people there, of course. The Jews, because of some of their special
arrangements with the Romans, they basically stoned people there and beat them as examples, that’s what took
place there. Anyway, once we found that place, I knew that, well basically, that I needed to get inside that
escarpment, because there were several indications that it was just a system of tunnels and chambers, and that I
needed to, basically, just go chamber by chamber, tunnel by tunnel, and whatever, systematically go through there,
until I found the Ark of the Covenant, or until I didn’t find it. And so, anyway, we found it on January 6th, 1982 at
approximately 2 o’clock in the afternoon.
And so, when I found it, it was in a situation that I had not anticipated or expected, that was that it was in a chamber
that was totally filled with what appeared to be debris. And what turned out to be a bunch of materials of furnishings
of the first temple, covered first by animal skins, then that covered by boards, and then these covered by stone, just
whatever they could get their hands on, looked like. It looked like it had been done in a hurry, looked like they just
grabbed everything, whatever they could get to fill the place, and I was still a little fuzzy on why that would be done,
but I don’t see that I need to know everything. When God does something I just know it’s done perfectly, so. On the
occasion of my fourth visit into the area, I was gonna make another attempt at getting some video footage.
Bill Fry: Get some what?
Ron Wyatt: I was going to make an attempt to get some video footage.
Bill Fry: Oh, okay.
Ron Wyatt: Up to that time I had not had any success with any kind of reproduction attempt that I made that included
Polaroid cameras, 35 mm cameras, a VHS camera, video system. So anyway, I went into the chamber and lowered
myself in there, and of course, there, the thing that became apparent immediately was that the place was totally
cleaned. Somebody had done what I had decided that I was going to have to do, and that was to clean every, haul
the debris and everything out. And I guess I should say a couple of words here, that the Ark of the Covenant was not
covered in all this debris like everything else. It was in a separate container, within walls, a stone box. And this
extended from the floor, which I didn’t know at the time, the dimensions or whatever, but anyway the box extended
up to within approximately three inches of the ceiling.
Bill Fry: Was it sitting on top of something else?
Ron Wyatt: Well, the fact of the matter was, Bill, that I never did get in there and measure everything, and so I really
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: Looking back on that, I would have had to have been there when the cleanup took place in order to know
all of that, and I simply was not there. But anyway, the Ark of the Covenant, the mercy seat, was set in a manner
under the crack that came down, that extended down from the crucifixion site above, so that the blood went on the
top of the mercy seat, and then, anyway when it was all cleaned up and situated, positioned, it still appeared to be in
that same position even though it was no longer in the box. And there are several things that are rather remarkable
about what had happened there: the place was cleaned up, and the Ark of the Covenant was sitting against the wall
at the east end of the cave, and the cave is not perfectly oriented east, west, north, or south, it’s just on the eastern
end, basically, of that. Behind this is this crystalline wall that emits the colors of the rainbow.
Bill Fry: This is the wall behind the ark?
Ron Wyatt: That’s correct. It’s a vertical, vertical wall.
Bill Fry: Now the ark was facing you if you were standing looking at it, is that correct?
Ron Wyatt: Yes, that is correct, at that point in time. And I got a phone call on this that I’ll share which was kind of
unusual, it’s one of those things that made me decide to talk about it, to say something about it. And that is, that I got
a phone call from this fellow, and he says, “Ron,” he says, “would you describe what the Ark of the Covenant, what it
looked like, to me? And I said, “Well, I don’t do that.” And I have a … you know, I just haven’t done that. And so,
anyway, I said, “Why do you ask?” and he seemed a little distressed with the whole thing, you know, and he said,
“Well, I had a dream.” And I don’t remember if it was the night before I was talking to him, or that day, or anyway, it
hadn’t been too long since he had this dream, and he said, “I’ve been praying since I heard about the Ark of the
Covenant, that the Lord would let me see what it looked like, I just felt a real burden to see what it looked like,” and
he said, “I had this dream, and I was in this chamber in this dream,” and he said, “The Ark of the Covenant was right
there in front of me.” Basically, and he said, “However, the wall behind the Ark of the Covenant,” and he described it
perfectly, you know.
Bill Fry: Like what you’d seen.
Ron Wyatt: Right. And he said, “I got so distracted by the colors and all the rest of this rainbow, that I did look and
zero in on the Ark of the Covenant.” And he said, “The dream went away without my having a good look at the Ark of
the Covenant.” So that was a bit of a surprise, and an (observant?) one, I might add, that indicates that God, you
know, wanted people to, didn’t mind people having a description of it, at least, and at least this one fellow. He didn’t
seem any more unusual or different than anyone else, and there were several other people that have asked. And he
seemed to be an honest guy and all of that, and I don’t think he could have made that description without having
seen it, there’s no way it could have happened.
So, anyway, I at this point said, “Well, just be grateful that you got to see inside the chamber, because I’ll verify that’s
what it looks like.” But then I said, “I guess that I probably ought to do something to give a general idea of what the
Ark of the Covenant looked like. So at the time I decided to get Jim Pinkoski to work me up some (drawings), you
know? And so, anyway, back to the experiences, when I got in there, the light, the room has its own light, and I made
that inference that it didn’t happen until I had gotten inside the chamber and was just standing on the floor of the
chamber. I did all my getting in the dark, so when the thing’s kind of lighted up, I was really shocked by what I saw,
that is the place had been cleaned out, and that there were four people in there. And so basically, I was going to ask,
“What are you doing here?” because I’m the only one I knew of that had permission or the right to be in there, and at
that point, I became aware that my physical condition was altered so that I knew I was in the presence of angels, you
know, that these were not just people, because I couldn’t breathe, I couldn’t move, I couldn’t talk, couldn’t do
anything. And so, anyway, at that point, just basically kept in mind that I was very, very… scorned? By the whole
thing. So the one angel talked to me and briefly said that they been watching over the Ark of the Covenant since
Moses had put the tables of stone in there, and that God wanted everyone to see this at a particular time. And so,
anyway, he told me to set up my, um
Bill Fry: Your video camera?
Ron Wyatt: yeah, to set that up on a tripod, and which I set up primarily because it had been kind of drummed into my
head that “you would’ve got a better picture if you used a tripod.” So anyway, I set this all up and aimed at the Ark of
the Covenant. At that point, I turned it on and went on to the angels went and took the corners of each of the ark, of
the mercy seat, and lifted it, and the one angel that talked with me said, “Get the tables of stone out of the Ark of the
Covenant.” So I went over and leaned down, and took them out.
Bill Fry: Ron, could you speak up? I’m having just a little bit of trouble hearing you.
Ron Wyatt: I’m sorry. Yeah, I leaned in and picked the tables of stone and backed away, and they lowered the mercy
seat back into position. And then I just stood there with the tables of stone, and the angel came and got them, and
took them from my hands, and put them on a stone shelf, or ledge, whatever.
Bill Fry: Right there next to the wall?
Ron Wyatt: Right, you know its part of the wall right near the exit.
Bill Fry: The original exit?
Ron Wyatt: Yeah.
Bill Fry: So that would be, I guess, on the south side.
Ron Wyatt: Uh huh.
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: The south side. And so, anyway, the
Bill Fry: Now let me ask you a question here.
Ron Wyatt: Okay.
Bill Fry: Cause when you told me this before, you know, you told me you took the tables of stone out, and then the
angel told you something about the tables of stone.
Ron Wyatt: Yeah, he told me that it had to do with when these were to be shown to the world.
Bill Fry: Right.
Ron Wyatt: Two things were stated; one that if I was faithful I would have the privilege of sharing this, and the
second was that when the mark of the beast law was in force, that shortly after that, was when this would take place.
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: And there is a little bit of conundrum: it wasn’t stated as the mark of the beast law, it was stated, “when
the Sunday law,” but I tell people, and I think it’s wiser to tell people that, since it’s not lying or deceiving, is that
when the mark of the beast law is in force.
Bill Fry: Right. But the angel said “Sunday law”
Ron Wyatt: that’s right.
Bill Fry: Okay. Well, I’ll certainly do it that way.
Ron Wyatt: Okay. And so…
Bill Fry: Now, if I remember correctly, at that point you said, I don’t, you didn’t know what to do with the tables of
stone, because you were holding them.
Ron Wyatt: Well I didn’t, what the thing I didn’t know what to do with was later, was after I had taken the video back to
my room and checked it to make sure that I had the you know, video.
Bill Fry: Yeah.
Ron Wyatt: I didn’t know what to do with that. So I went back to the cave to ask the angel what I should do with that,
and he said I should put it on the tables of stone.
Bill Fry: Right on the shelf.
Ron Wyatt: Yeah, and on top of the tables of stone, they were both there.
Bill Fry: And as far as you know, that’s where they are today.
Ron Wyatt: That’s right, as far as I know.
Bill Fry: Okay. Now, did the angel indicate any kind of sign that you would be given other than the mark of the beast
Ron Wyatt: Uh, no.
Bill Fry: Okay. Okay, I kind of got you off track, okay, after he took the tables of stone and put them on the niche near
the original exit, I kind of interrupted you there. What happened after that?
Ron Wyatt: At that point I left through the old entrance.
Bill Fry: The original entrance.
Ron Wyatt: Right.
Bill Fry: And was that the first time you had been through it?
Ron Wyatt: That was the first time I had been through it.
Bill Fry: So that’s how you ended up finding that.
Ron Wyatt: Uh huh.
Bill Fry: Okay, they apparently had cleaned that out, too.
Ron Wyatt: Well, it had, they had cleaned that one out, yeah. I had done some work prior to this, but my work, uh,
apparently, well, just to be perfectly honest, this whole system, if they want you to see and get through, it’s easy, you
know, quick and easy. And if they don’t, you couldn’t find it to save your life, or I couldn’t.
Bill Fry: Oh really?
Ron Wyatt: Yeah.
Bill Fry: So it’s not just as simple as walking through a tunnel?
Ron Wyatt: No, It’s not. And I know that sounds a little science fictionish, but
Bill Fry: Well, that’s the nature of the caves and tunnels, if you’ve been in them before.
Ron Wyatt: It’s also the nature of if God wants you to see something or not.
Bill Fry: Exactly.
Ron Wyatt: And so, as far as I know, I’m the only one that has been in there, but I’m not there all the time, so I really
don’t know about this. But I don’t know for a fact that nobody else has been in there.
Bill Fry: Right.
Ron Wyatt: Alright, now I do not want to get into details on that.
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: For the simple reason that, and I think you probably know this, that the Bishop of the Angels of the
church, who is basically the head of the Garden Tomb died within a month of telling me that I couldn’t excavate out
Bill Fry: And that was shortly after Reverend White retired.
Ron Wyatt: Um, yeah. And so, anyway, there’s a whole bunch of people that, you know I didn’t say that, I’ve never
said that he died because of that to anybody, I didn’t verbalize it.
Bill Fry: It was just a matter of fact.
Ron Wyatt: I’ve verbalized that there have been people that have died, and they’ve put two and two together
because, you know, working there, they were giving orders to me not to be able to do anything more, and God
rescinded that, they all died, so of course, they put all that together.
Bill Fry: I don’t know that it’s really necessary to address that aspect of it, because nobody’s asking about that part.
Ron Wyatt: I think we ought to just skip that.
Bill Fry: The only other thing that would relate to anything happening in the chamber and that type of thing is back
when those six people got killed trying to get in there to the ark and move it.
Ron Wyatt: Yeah, and this is why I saw I had rather not.
Bill Fry: Okay. Because I know you told me that story, but, okay, that’s fine if you don’t want to get into that.
Ron Wyatt: Well, the situation is that if we get on the page, web page, with a bunch of stuff, at some point some of
the people that are keeping an eye on me, and they might not like the direction I’m taking or something. So I figure
that I would just lump it into a statement that there have been those that have lost their lives, directly or indirectly,
and just let it go at that.
Bill Fry: Okay. Can I just ask you one thing on a personal note, and this won’t be any part of what we’re talking about
doing here, who was it that initiated those men going in there trying to move that thing, do you know?
Ron Wyatt: I didn’t ask.
Bill Fry: Okay.
Ron Wyatt: The idea was that it’s occupied territory, they wanted to get it into unoccupied territory, and ordinarily, I’m
all for that. Because I sure don’t want Yasser Arafat ending up with it.
Bill Fry: Right.
Ron Wyatt: But I know he isn’t gonna.
Bill Fry: Right, it’s not really an issue.
Ron Wyatt: Right, but that was what I was given to be the reason, but as to who made that decision, well you know, I
Bill Fry: Right. Are the golden poles still either on or around the ark?
Ron Wyatt: Well, they are not in their slots anymore.
Bill Fry: But they are in the chamber?
Ron Wyatt: Right. They are in the chamber. The impression I got, or I may have gotten is, well, I came out of there
with, I think, a lot more information in my head than was verbalized by the angel. I don’t know if that makes any sense
to you or not.
Bill Fry: Yeah, I think so.
Ron Wyatt: And so the bottom line is that I think the Ark of the Covenant is fulfilling its final destiny and that is to
prove to the entire universe that God’s Son actually gave His life, you know, to redeem the human family. And that
proof will stay throughout eternity.
Bill Fry: Okay, Anything else you want to add?
Ron Wyatt: I think that’s about it, Bill.
Bill Fry: Okay. Ron I appreciate it.
Ron Wyatt: I appreciate you looking after these things, because you know, I have to have this pain medicine, and it
grogs me a bit… and it’s nice to have someone that can help me get these things across so that they won’t be
misstated or whatever.
Bill Fry: You know we’ll do everything we can. Uh, listen, I’m probably not going to get a chance to work on this until
after I get back from the meeting in New Orleans.
Ron Wyatt: Oh, okay.
Bill Fry: Because I’m leaving tomorrow, and I’ve still got some things to do around here relative to getting ready for
Sabbath and for the trip. So I probably won’t get back to work on it UNTIL EARLY NEXT WEEK. But I’ll be back in touch
with you and e-mail you a copy before we post anything.
Ron Wyatt: Okay, that’ll be great.
Bill Fry: If you would, and I’ve already talked to Mary Nell about this, please pray for me in this meeting, because I
really think the Lord’s presenting opportunity here. There’s going to be a large number of people there.
Ron Wyatt: Okay, alright, we sure will.
Bill Fry: Thanks so much, Ron, and take care, and know that I and many, many others are still praying for you.
Ron Wyatt: I appreciate that very kindly, I really do, and I can tell that that’s happening. And I just want you to know I
appreciate you, Bill.
Bill Fry: Thank you, Ron, and we appreciate and love you. Let me ask you before I go, did you get that newspaper
with Ross just exactly the way you wanted it?
Ron Wyatt: Well, we got it pretty close. Mary Nell learned pretty well how to do what he does. And we got it quite
close, or closer, with just a few little typos, and I’m going over that sheet by sheet. So we were thinking about maybe
getting some copies printed up for handing out down at the meeting.
Bill Fry: Oh, no, there’s not time to do that now. But I’m looking down the road a bit.
Ron Wyatt: Well, it shouldn’t be very long. We should be by the end of next week, have it ready to be printed, I guess.
Bill Fry: Oh, really? That quick?
Ron Wyatt: I think so.
Bill Fry: That would be great, it would be great. Okay, well, Ron, we’re gonna let you know, ‘cause I know you’re tired.
If there’s anything I can do for you, or Mary Nell, give me a call, and we’ll do what we can.
Ron Wyatt: Well, we’re more or less getting things into a routine. Things keep changing a little bit, anyway, and
learning to live with all of this. Well, okey dokey, thanks Bill.
Bill Fry: Okay, God bless, bye bye.
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